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Post by yonnuakoponen on Oct 31, 2010 10:28:03 GMT
Earletown Rangers are also a member group, btw. You missed that on the other page.
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Post by Hell's Belles on Oct 31, 2010 12:53:16 GMT
We are playing this by ear. Old texts will be updated as we get around to it.
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Post by yonnuakoponen on Oct 31, 2010 13:45:50 GMT
Also, I tried to communicate a ceasefire between DvB and you guys back when Dewolf was in control, but he didn't respond. Since we aren't actively killing you guys and are mainly focusing on sorting out Dulston, I see no reason not to communicate a ceasefire with you guys. But since DvB is quite unco-ordinated, let me know if some of our guys ARE attacking you, because if so a ceasefire is kind of pointless.
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Post by Hell's Belles on Oct 31, 2010 14:14:26 GMT
I _could_ propose a ceasefire in the backroom.
But look at this: You have publicly revealed IP information on Alice in the past, so I'm pretty sure that she'd vote against it.
You've also tried to use the ZL to bully someone into submission, something which I as an active zerg hunter can't approve.
That would already make 2 guaranteed votes against a ceasefire. So, unless someone has really compelling arguments for staying out of DvB's hair, I think it would just be a sad waste of time to start a poll.
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Post by yonnuakoponen on Oct 31, 2010 21:19:37 GMT
Well, first off, as you know, it wasn't her IP, it was a proxy IP, which is naturally discouraged, because it shows you to be somebody you aren't. Secondly, I in no way shape or form bullied anybody with the ZL, and it's bullshit to say so. I said I would compare the IP to give an outcome one way or the other on the alt question which had been raised by somebody of a different group. If it hadn't have been a proxy, I'm sure we'd see that the two alts weren't linked, which would have been beneficial for everyone, and would have diffused the massive argument that was going on. But there we go.
A more compelling argument would be that I don't represent my group. Deciding to attack a group because you don't like what one person's done is childish, particularly when they aren't attacking you to begin with. If you're pro-survivors, as you claim, then you should probably not attack groups that aren't attacking you with no real reason. Ah well, you claiming to be pro-survivor isn't the issue at hand.
But if you really want to confirm that you like to make a habit of attacking groups that don't fight back, and show that you are cowards and PKers, then you could keep attacking us. I'd like to point out that currently the most killed character by your group is Red Hawk One, a pacifist by anyone's terms. He doesn't attack survivors, he doesn't attack PKers, and he doesn't even attack zombies. Spending so much time attacking somebody who doesn't even carry bullets is a pretty bad reputation for a supposedly pro-survivor group, I'd say.
So if you do want to show that you're actually pro-survivor, as you so persistently claim, then maybe you should do a job of showing it by not attacking people who have no intention of even deigning to respond to your pathetic attacks.
~Yonnua Koponen
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Post by Hell's Belles on Oct 31, 2010 22:46:34 GMT
Back then, you acted like you had evidence for zerging by Alice, and asked all of BCH to leave the area or see the evidence submitted to the ZL. There would have been plenty of avenues to deal with that situation that don't involve public drama bombs and intimidation attempts. It's old news by now, but doesn't really help to build trust towards DvB. (In fact, it was the straw that made me join BCH. HB had originally been planned to be exclusively a zerg hunter in the under-served NE, before I decided to broaden her target selection.)
As far as RHO goes, there's free reign for each member in who they kill, as long as they are legal targets.
Personally I haven't shot RHO even once, and won't do it as long as I can find more worthwile targets nearby. I'd still kill him for association, as his actions also support the more douchetastic DA members in the end - but that's it.
As for survivor groups, they are a wild and varied bunch.
There are pure-bred pacifists like Malton College of Medicine.
There are shooty groups that aren't afraid to kill other survivors when the need arises, such as the two fort defense groups.
Finally, there are also the shootist groups that bridge over to survivor play, such as the Philosophe Knights.
We fall into the latter camp. We primarily shoot others, yes. (Although at least I am not afraid to give a FAK to an infected newb, or to do some damage control by recading a busted safehouse.) But we don't shoot random survivors (that's what most PKer groups do) or try to tear down the infrastructure (which is what death-cults as RDD do - a process that very often doesn't involve PKing at all, by the way, as I can tell as one of Feral Undead's more experienced death-cultist players). We are very specific in our target selection, and will at all costs avoid death to innocent, unaffiliated bystanders.
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Post by yonnuakoponen on Oct 31, 2010 23:31:39 GMT
Nobody's accusing you of being Death Cultists. And if that is the case - that you aren't afraid to help with damage control - then why not help repair the NE; something that benefits both us and yourselves? And I am sorry if you misinterpreted what I was saying as meaning that I had any evidence of zerging by the BCH. I did have potential evidence of spying (although as said it was because of the proxy issue), and I apologised to Alice for the misunderstanding at the time.
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Post by Hell's Belles on Nov 1, 2010 1:53:38 GMT
No one's accusing us of death-culting *cough* iamscott.net/1288396086449.html *cough* As for the rest, I'll first give the rest an opportunity a chance to speak for themselves. I'm only here to make sure that the forums and the wiki don't go belly up, not to "lead" this group.
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Post by yonnuakoponen on Nov 1, 2010 7:10:58 GMT
Please God don't use Taco to represent Dead vs Blue. And sure, I'll see what they have to say (Hopefully positive).
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Post by Hell's Belles on Nov 4, 2010 22:49:36 GMT
We've discussed the matter in the backroom now. The ceasefire with Dead vs Blue has been clearly declined, as I expected to.
However, we made progress in speaking to other groups. Our good friend Rolfe Steiner and the other Creedy Guerilla Raiders will very soon pay a visit to the north-east. Keep your mops handy, there might be some blood to clean up.
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Post by yonnuakoponen on Nov 5, 2010 11:54:18 GMT
Chim-Chimeny.
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Post by Hell's Belles on Nov 5, 2010 17:05:41 GMT
Oh, by the way, I've heard that CGR has already introduced itself to DvB. You might want to log in soon to see what I mean.
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Post by yonnuakoponen on Nov 5, 2010 17:07:47 GMT
Chim-Chimeny?
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Post by shinobi on Nov 5, 2010 17:31:35 GMT
Intresting comments Yon , very articulate . It certainly helps you to come across as an intelligent guy
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Post by yonnuakoponen on Nov 6, 2010 23:20:02 GMT
Chim-Chimeny.
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